Originally in December 2022, Steven Harris conducted a two-part interview with the Canadian Prepper YouTube channel regarding preparedness for nuclear war, whether it happens on USA soil, elsewhere in North America, or abroad. The first two parts were featured in the previous blog post at this link: Steven Harris Canadian Prepper Interviews – Parts 1 and 2
Steven has the exclusive rights and authored the revised the original edition of Cresson Kearney’s book Nuclear War Survival Skills.
A third part of the interview came out a few weeks later on the same YouTube channel:
Here is more about the book from Harris himself:
The only 2022 Edition on Amazon, Now 341 Pages. You can download the PDF version of the PRINT version on Amazon (there is NOT a kindle version of the 2022 version yet). This is the PDF, NOT a printed book. Amazon has the print version. 100’s of hours of MY TIME and 30 years of experience went into me updating this for the 2022 Edition. You are FREE to get the 1987 version for FREE or for $2 or $3 here. If you like it, and want more, come back and get this update. I am the update author and publisher. The Original Author, Cresson Kearny, mentored me for nearly 8 years and I’ve taught preparedness professionally for 30 years to civilian, corporate, government and military. I’ve updated Cresson’s book for 2022. The original book written by Cresson Kearny and updated by him in 1987 is timeless. The book is fantastic and it will help you and protect you from any nuclear incident. Whether is full out nuclear war or a nuclear accident or nuclear detonations going off on the other side of the world. I address nuclear detonations in the EU and what that means to the USA. What happens if we have a few detonations in the USA? How does that affect you here. What happens and how to understand radiation will be explained to you in this book so you can be prepared and not fear it from ignorance of the subject. The whole book addresses all out nuclear war w/ USA & Russia or China, its from 1987 after all. Most everything in the book is “Expedient Civil Defense” that uses stuff easily available in your home or easy to obtain. Cresson mentored Steven Harris for years and he promised to keep Cresson’s book in print and available to the entire world in the event of a crisis. The original 1987 version is available for free download at but in 2022 Steven felt that he needed to add update pages to the book. The original work of brilliance and majesty of preparedness is not changed. Pages have been added to explain new tools and methods that exist today in 2022 that did not exist in 1987. News of a detonation will go around the world electronically instantly with an internet and communications that barely existed in 1987. Led Lights and Lithium batteries did not exist then, but, today they can provide illumination as well as Cresson’s original cooking oil lamp. We have more abundant and affordable radiation measurement devices available on Amazon & elsewhere. Cresson’s bucket stove used twisted pieces newspaper as a simple fuel which is not in every house now, yet amazon boxes are. The book is not out of date. Just updated. New updates coming out yearly. Steven Harris wants to empower you with more options and more pre-crisis preparations that are easy, affordable and local. This IS your first best book on ‘what do I do.’. Cresson’s life and my life has been dedicated to this.
Steven Harris NWSS 2022 Revised Edition Book Interview – Part 3 Transcript
If you prefer to read a transcript of the above video, instead of watching and listening to it, then below is the raw transcript. While there may be some spelling errors and/or incorrect words due to the audio translation functionality, you should be able to get the information which Harris presented in the interview with minimal confusion.
Now the doomsday clock has just been reset at 90 seconds to midnight, when the new killer device goes off when it goes critical it does. So about three quarters of a millionth of a second, your Fallout radiation comes from physical particles, you can get pizza, the size of marbles falling out of the sky. And then of course, they’re highly radioactive sand or books, or dirt or rocks. Everything you can do to put everything between new and the outside is better, when you get the lethal dose of radiation that you’re not feeling that they can disrupt your DNA can cause burns, and you’re also going to lose your hair and you’re probably going to puke, you get a lethal dose of radiation, and you don’t realize that you’re gonna die within about 100 days.
The number one way is of being 100% Sure, is pre crisis preparation, shut up and stop finding a reason to not do it and start finding a reason to do it. Hi, folks, Canadian prepper. here back again with Steven Harris, who is one of the adjunct authors of the book, nuclear war and survival skills. Today, we’re going to do a deep dive into all of the things that you might need in order to keep yourself safe. In the case of the worst case scenario, a potential nuclear incident, we’re going to talk about different types of radiation, I’m hoping we can talk about different methods of detection, I know that Steve has some items that he wants to share with us. And hopefully, he can break that all down and various tools and pieces of equipment, medication, and supplies that you might need, and talk a bit about sheltering and things of that nature. And I’m sure we’re gonna go on a whole bunch of tangents. So the floor is open to you, my friend, Steve is an expert on this stuff, guys. And once he starts talking about it, you’re gonna figure it out real quick. So maybe we should start off, you know, just because a lot of people don’t know what radiation is. But there’s three different types of radiation that we’re concerned with when it comes to a dead the detonation of a nuclear bomb. So can you explain those three types of radiation and how we can protect ourselves against them? Well, there’s three types of radiation, primarily, I mean, there’s multiple types of radiation. In fact, we live in a sea of radiation, the light coming off your laptop looking at you right now, that is a form of radiation, but it’s photon radiation, okay? Well, you pick up in your FM radio is radiation as well, but it’s radiofrequency radiation, what we’re talking is classified as ionizing radiation. In fact, if you ever heard of an ionizing smoke detector, they use a small amount of mirror cesium in there, which is a radioactive material to pick up the smoke because it gets ionized and it gets detected. Now, that’s a good place to start with our first type of radiation the least harmful of all called alpha radiation, and alpha radiation the particle and the thing is a does not have a lot of energy associated with in fact, a piece of paper will stop alpha radiation, the Amera ciem ionizing chamber and your smoke detector is not only stopped by the chamber, it’s stopped by the plastic, let alone alpha radiation can’t go more than a couple inches before our hits and air molecule and get stopped in the air. You can actually measure you know how far a piece of radiation can go in inches and feet in the air before it hits. Air you think of it as being ubiquitous like a liquid, it’s not it’s a lot of air is a lot of spread out particles when you start talking about something as small as a radiation particle. Next, we have beta radiation, which is basically considered an electron. A lot of people talked about beta radiation from your TV, because those electron beam hitting a phosphor screen. And that’s also called beta decay. And you understand when things are radioactive, they are changing from one element to another and what’s called a decay chain, which is literally how uranium and thorium becomes lead over a billion years. Lead is nothing but used uranium that has decayed into lead over a billion years. It does that by losing neutrons. So the most common radiation that you’re referring to is going to be what a lot of people call X ray radiation. And in the field, we call it gamma radiation. And what this is, is this is a quantum of energy. It’s not a physical particle, a little piece of energy, I guess, flies off very high speed.
and it can impact you, it can disrupt your DNA can cause burns, depending upon how close and how much you get. And this is generally what we consider when we measure our coal body radiation from head to toe and try to calculate, find out what was your dose? Did you get a lot the radiation and the second, a fraction of second, you know, from the weapon going off, you’re gonna get radiation and three quarters of a millionth of a second. Did you get it from Fallout? Did you get it from something else? Okay, that’s all that’s gamma, no trouble with beta. And alpha is like, it’s not that big of a danger to you walking around and everything else. The thing is that you don’t want to eat anything, or drink anything. Like I said, this much space of air will stop an alpha particle, okay? Well imagine that alpha particle is this far away from your long, and what your long is gonna get irradiated with that alpha particle, it’s gonna get changed by that alpha particle. So the rule is kind of I guess, alpha beta, not much to worry about gamma is what you want your your radiation detector, or this one, or this one to pick up. That is your long lasting radiation that we consider as part of Fallout. That was the radiation that goes through, it gets attenuated, it goes through your walls, it goes through everything, but it gets attenuated by your walls, and it keeps on losing this energy, the more and more stuff, it has to go through, like three feet of dirt, or 18 inches of dirt, or lead or water. That’s why nuclear reactors are down in the pit that is full of water, because why the 20 feet of water above that thing. And in the water is an excellent absorber of radiation. Plus, you can see through it, and you can pump it. So it allows for all sorts of contingencies like reactor cooling, and visually inspecting, and, and also excellent, excellent shielding properties. Just to help viewers visualize this, then because we’re obviously all three of these types of radiation alpha, beta, gamma, are emitted by an on nuclear bomb are involved in a nuclear blast. So can you tell us like, from okay, you have the nuclear explosion happens? Where will we encounter the alpha and beta particles? And why? And how long will the gamma radiation be a factor and maybe just talk a little bit about, you know, I guess the difference between a ground burst and an airburst in terms of what the radiation effects are and destroyed to give our viewers an understanding of Roberson airburst is a fantastic question, okay. And when the nucular device goes off, when it goes critical, it does so on about three quarters of a millionth of a second. And that’s what we’re all the radiation is released, that’s released in terms of light photons, sometimes called teller light, as in gamma radiation, and other forms of radiation. And that’s where you’re going to get neutron radiation, gamma radiation and everything. It’s called prompt radiation, because you’re getting it in a millionth of a second, you’d call that pretty prompt, wouldn’t you? That radiation then heats up all the air around it. And that begins to form what we call it’s called the fireball, that’s when you see, you know, you see the bright light wash everything out and then you see like, everything glowing brightly, and then decrease in brightness and the mushroom cloud going up. That is from the atmospheric heating of the gamma of the photon and the other forms radiation coming off of the device. And then you get the mushroom cloud going up. So that’s called prompt radiation. Now when you got an air burst, what you want to do is you want to air burst it like they did in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and many of the other airborne tests that we did the Marshall Islands, etc. You’re not doing a high altitude burst, you’re doing a low altitude bursts and this is measured and 1000s of feet. I’m sorry, you know, low 1000s of kilometers. I forget. I forget and I’m speaking Canadian today. You meters. Yeah, meters. kilometers. I mean, made meters meters. Yeah. So yeah, I’m sorry. You’re right. I misspoke. 1000s of meters, not kilometers. And we’d like science and and scientific metrics up here as opposed to you know, more primitive styles of measuring things. Yeah, I remind you we landed on the Moon using you know, not using the metric system and slide rulers. Point taking.
No, I’m just having
I’m just I’m just having fun with you. I can think in both am
I was any good engineer goes it’s like the I get criticized, I think in English units and our standard units, a lot of the world uses metric and I get criticized, it’s like, Oh, I could switch between both. Now I realize now we just lost half the audience because you said that we land on the moon.
Just kidding. Carry on.
So anyways, okay, when you do an air burst, there is very little radiation after the prompt radiation of an air burst, so after the first millionth of a second, your Fallout radiation comes from physical particles, i e, the copper wire in the bomb, the leftover plutonium that didn’t get used or leftover, other radiological materials didn’t get us, the bomb casing the steel, which is not radioactive, okay, all of that gets turned into a plasma at millions and 10s of millions of degrees. And this case, it doesn’t matter whether it’s Celsius or Fahrenheit, it’s 10s of millions of degrees hotter than the sun, everything gets turned in the plasma, and then it cools down in the air and it gets fused together. So you have not only neutron radiation, which I described before, neutrons can make other things radioactive, that’s the only thing that can really make something else radioactive is neutrons hitting it because your nucleus of your atom is made up of protons and neutrons, when you hit add more neutrons or knock a proton off, you change it into an isotope and may have a radioactive component to it. Unlike, let’s say, table salt, again, not radioactive. So when you get a ground burst, you get this you get the fireball I mentioned in the fight in the in the fireball touch and this is in nuclear war survival skills in a very well documented when the fireball touches the ground or, you know, digs into the ground as they’re going after nucular silos. It takes all of that Earth, you know, silicon dioxide, and everything that makes up sand and clay, and all the minerals that you can you can think of, and it scoops them up and carries them up to the mushroom cloud, which is very hot, and it gets mixed with a lot of radioactive particles and everything else. And that becomes your fallout. And that Fallout is what’s going to fall out from the center of the bomb to all the way around the world. At the center, you know, near the bottom, say kilometer, you can get pieces of the size of marbles falling out of the sky that are Fallout and of course, they’re highly radioactive, the further away you get, the heavier particles
are have already fallen out and you get lighter and lighter and lighter, lighter particles, these particles go up into the atmosphere, you know, 60 80,000 feet up by the mushroom cloud, get into the jet stream. But as you would say, it’s all screwed up at the moment. And they get transported around the world, either by the jet stream or not by the jet stream. And the thing is if they go off in Ukraine and urine, and Canada in the United States, it’s gonna take five, seven days for them to float at the upper atmosphere and fall out all the way. They’re falling out all the time as they’re traveling because they’re particles, they got heavy, only the winds are keeping them up and there’s a lot of circulation up there.
So by time it gets to us, the particles that are still going to be alive are going to be the cesium atoms and like the iodine and iron ions are the ones that are soluble, can go into water that you can drink can go into your thyroid. So an airburst, Hiroshima and Nagasaki had very little Fallout because they were detonated at a certain altitude. Okay. And the fallout that how long from the time of the blast until, you know, this Fallout starts to become a problem, like how long does the person have to to get into a fallout shelter? It literally rides on the wind. So if la gets nuked and you’re in Vegas, you might have a day. If you’re in Houston, Texas, like Amarillo, you might have two three days, I mean, it’s gonna be tracked more accurately than a hurricane. And if you’re right outside the blast zone, it’s going to be almost immediate.
If you’re outside the blast zone, you got by others, you got more things to worry about. I mean, if you’re not in the blast zone, but you’re outside of it, but you’re within the range of the immediate fall I got you. So it’s like the saying goes. You’re saying it’s like if you hear the nuclear detonation and you turn around and see the mushroom cloud already formed, you know, you’re not going to be affected by the blast. You people don’t realize you’re going to hear nuclear detonation for 1000s
miles away, as we just proved with the volcano that went off the Pacific, they heard it in Australia, we saw the pressure wave go across the weather parameters in the United States, literally traveling at the speed of sound across the United States. So if you hear it, you’re safe.
If you see it, if you hear it, and you turn it around, and you see the mushroom cloud, that’s like, a good distance away, I can start going, I can, I can start going in the other direction, you know, the way the wind is not going,
you know, find a small dog, pick it up and see, throw it up in the air and find which way the wind blows the small dog and indicate that’s the direction that you want to go opposite of in a way from the detonation and thus the fall, the fallout is going to travel on the wind, and it’s going to move at the speed of the wind.
And that’s only for ground bursts, that’s not for an air burst,
there will be a small amount of air burst. And again, we’re gonna get into the byproducts of fission and our fusion reaction. And it’s an encyclopedia but you know, you can say short term threat iodine, longer term threat, cesium. So these alpha beta particles that just just to
when after the bomb is detonated, and this Fallout falls down from the sky. There’s alpha and beta particles within on the ground now, is that the situation? No, there are physical particles of material on the ground, like sand and parts of the bomb that has been irradiated by the Nid. They’re emitting gamma radiation, or those are those are what’s emitting radiation, you’re not having alpha and beta particles and gamma particles, which are just energy landing on the ground in a radius aiming you, you’re getting physical particles that you can literally touch and see or not see, which is why you have
you know, a good Geiger counter so that you can now turn that invisible into the visible like I said, turn the visible into a mosquito so you can understand it. And now you can swat the bugger that if you’re gonna walk into my house, and you drove all the way from Canada to my place, it’s like hanging out at night. I gotta, I gotta wind Yeah, I gotta go over you from head to toe. And with a meter to see if you’re carrying any radio logical particles that were fallout that you picked up from the dirt, you might have walked across the parking lot, and they’re in the parking lot, and they got scuffed up. What I’m trying to clarify is those particles, what kind of radiation is being admitted by those particles that would be on your person is going to be all of them all three. Okay, but your your your primary concern is gamma gamma. So what is the gas mask for then how does the gas mass factor into nuclear, I’m going to play really dumb here, just for the sake of people who have no idea why a gas mask and not one of those pandemic Kleenex is that you put across your face, because it’s an actually NBC, nuclear, biological, chemical, or CBRN, chemical radiological,
you know, the term sandbar, they’re actually rated for stopping those particles, and you don’t want to inhale them. That’s what the gas mask is for, you do not want to inhale these particles, these particles could be of all variety of sizes. And also you notice, if you did get into a contaminated environment, you can take off your cheek filters. And you can you can dispose of them and put new ones on so you can anything trapped within there, you can put your Geiger counter up to your your filter as like a goal. It’s like filters your filter, not good either, which is why you probably want to change out those filters. Not like have them close to your face for a long period of time. Is it safe to say? Like because they’re accumulating, they’re accumulating? contaminant all depends, you might be accumulating nothing. You might be accumulating absolutely nothing, assuming assuming you have a Geiger counter and it’s registering pretty high. It’s registering and it’s of a significant value. Yeah, you can either put them away from you and only use them for a couple hours when you need them. Or if it’s hot enough, you can, you know, put them out disposable, throw them outside.
Give them to your neighbors here I have a present for you. And so I guess that would be a naughty neighbor, not the neighbor that you’d like definitely want one. Well, it’d be it’d be a neighbor who has lost food. There you go. Now you’re thinking broader style. Let’s say we’re we’re parked up here in Saskatchewan and there’s a ground burst or something not too far in my not vicinity. You know, near one of the minute minute man Miss
little silos. And you know, the shits hit the fan. And the bombs went off and I’m in my Fallout Shelter and I got my I would use the gas masks if I needed to go out in the first few days is that why would don the gas mask like what? What sort of scenario? Are you utilizing a gas mask in a nuclear scenario like getting as realistic and practical as we possibly all only to prevent radioactive particles from being inhaled through your going into your eyes, your nose and your mouth, that’s the only reason that you’re doing it. But as I got, like I said, I got a new Kotori events video where I cover everything that you do, but you’re wearing like a full typical suit or a full Tyvek suit, you’re wearing thick rubber gloves that are duct taped on, you’re wearing booties around your boots, and those are duct taped on. So before you go back into your shelter, you would it’s called donning and doffing, you die on your protective gear and you Doff your protective gear off and you there’s an art form to it. So you don’t contaminate yourself, if you’re seeing the EMT go like this with his with his gloves, and slide them up and roll them and then like take them off from the inside out. That’s so anything like someone’s blood that has hepatitis in it, is being contained in the glove and not on his skin, there’s an art to it. But you would go up to the hatch of your shelter with your Geiger counter, and you’d be going like this, that’s like, Ah, it’s too hot out there. I’m not going out, you know, and three days later, you may be you’re gone like a god, I really got to get this from my secret locker at Canadian preparedness that no one knows about, you know, buried underneath the floor, I forgot to get it, you know, they’re the cat treats for my cat, she’s complaining I gotta go out and get him. So you would put on, you know, protective suit. So any particles coming on, you would be left with the suit. Life’s like a rubber gloves, and gloves. And you know, it’s got a hoodie, or a shroud and the mask, and then the booties, you would go get your cat treats and bring them back and you’d take them off everything off outside the shelter. Or you would check it with a meter to see if there was anything on it, there’s nothing on it, it’s like you’re fine, go outside the shelter to shelter it, take a shower inside your gear, check it again with the meter. And you know, and then during your regular clothes, check yourself on your regular clothes with the meter. And since then check the cat treats with your Geiger counter. And then you like Here kitty, kitty, kitty, give her her cat treats. She’s been she’s been training, complaining about for three days, because you’re in the shelter without no cat treats, or no string toys or lasers or anything. You know, we often see the iconic gas mask being donned in the apocalyptic movies. But you know, there’s a very short window for at least I would say, after a nuclear detonation for which something like that would actually be required. Because the half life of this follow up material is quite short, as you say, well, there are other particles, I mean, the higher the radioactivity, the shorter the half life. And like I said, that’s good for your body. But it’s not good for inhalation. Let’s say you had a lot of fallout. It’s like inside here I got a piece of Trinity, right, which is the glass that was underneath the first atomic explosion at Los Alamos, okay, this is the green glass formed underneath. Now there is a little bit of plutonium in here. So microscopic, you couldn’t measure it at one time. But that plutonium since 1945, has decayed, decayed into Europium. And now it’s at its most stable point, which I think is cesium 137, you know, which is a radioactive isotope. And if I put my radiation meter up to the piece of green glass, it you know, I might get like two or three times background coming off of it with this far away from the radiological detector. So you can have radioactive particles that are radioactive for a long period of time, they just might not be soluble in water, they might be at a low level, they’re, they’re okay for your body. But again, you don’t want to eat or drink the particles. So this would be why they would still be wearing gas masks around certain parts of Chernobyl, if they’re doing extended work, because they might be fluid. Shinobu is a great example because it’s in the soil. I mean, we talked about the other day that a nuclear accident and aerated a reactor like Fukushima, Chernobyl is by far worse. It can be putting out radiological particles for months and months whereas a nuclear blast is a microsecond and then you got
At the fall, you know, everything sucked up the mushroom cloud and fall out. So, you know, we’re talking about event measured in hours versus measured in months and years, so you can get a lot more radiation. And yeah, there’s lots of radioactive material, not to mention, Chernobyl blew its core out, which is a graphite moderator. And the firefighters were picking up these pieces of radioactive graphite with with nuclear fuel inside of them. And they were dead two days later, because they got 25 to 50,000 rounds of radiation, which is like 25 to 100 times the lethal dose, they got it in minutes. And so there’s all sorts of this blown all over and it goes into the soil, more soil falls on it, rain falls on it, and it goes down further, and it decays, but still, when you’re you and I are, you know, 100 kilogram human beings walking around with our boots, especially if we’re not lifting our feet, and we’re scuffing our feet, we’re kicking up the dirt, and everything else, and we’re making it airborne. So it can get on our boots on our pants, they can get up high enough that we can inhale it, the people walking behind you, because you’re making a dust cloud, they can be inhaling it.
I’m sorry to say I like to try to make things as simple as possible, but it’s a complex subject. And in the the number one way is to, you know, have something so you can measure the radiation. So you’re going to turn that invisible particle into the equivalent of a mosquito because we get a mosquito lands on you.
Got it, okay. And that’s what we want you to be able to do with radiological particles, is, I want you to be able to see it with an instrument, like you can see and understand a mosquito, it’s not an unknown and understood, now that you got the meter and a little bit of training, what’s a lot of which is just in the first 34 pages of nuclear war survival skills. Tell me? And I don’t know if you know the answer to this, but I’m just curious. With a lethal dose like that, would you actually physically feel the radiation coursing through you? Or like, would you actually feel it at any level? Or is it completely invisible no matter how high the dose, people at Chernobyl got 25 and 1000 rads going in and doing inspections whole body radiation in 30 minutes, and no, they weren’t feeling it. The thing is, once you you know, the numbers are like 325 and 103 rads of a total whole body exposure in a short period of time, your body can pretty much recover for it. We’re not talking long term cancer risk. We’re talking about short term daily res 25 rads picked up pretty quickly it was the number Edwin York one of my mentors did for the Air Force. Because at that time in the 60s, you could medically detecting your blood work that you were exposed to radiation. 100 rads is what we call LD 1%, which means 1% Or you have you are going to die if you get 100 rads, whole body radiation in like a day hours are instantly and you’re also going to lose your hair and you’re probably going to puke that happens at 100. Now, LD 100 is like 600 rounds. Now what that does is 500 600. So Al varies between people. I’m bigger than you, Nate. So it might take a few more rounds to get me.
So there’s a benefit. There’s so you want to be you don’t want to be too skinny, then if the bombs drop is what you’re saying. No, actually, the radio isotopes can get stored in your fat cells depending upon which ones they are. So, you know, there’s advantage to being fat and advantage not be fat. You know, I got a lot of food storage right here. You know, I can go for a few more days than you can but they aren’t gonna be pleasant days. Now, here’s a funny thing that people are going to find really interesting. When you get like a lethal dose of radiation. And again, you’re not feeling it. It’s okay.
That’s a scary thing to think about.
There’s been some there’s been some accidents on some chemo, not chemotherapy, but radiation treatment tables were they swear they could feel it. And but they were getting excessive amounts. And they were like laser focus like they do for radiation treatment for cancer. They felt a shocking thing, but you and I aren’t. Now what five 600 Rad does Nate is it kills your bone marrow, your bone marrow makes all your red blood cells which carry all the oxygen through the hemoglobin throughout your body, right? What red blood cells have a life of about 120 days and your body is always making more of them. So what happens is if you get a lethal dose radiation and you don’t realize that you’re going to die within about 100 days, because you don’t have enough red blood cells in your body to transport what you’re respirating around your body and that’s one of the methods the death now the Chernobyl one
or curse, they were getting 510 25 50,000 rads. They died a very brutal death and single digit days one or two days in the hospital kept secret. And that’s because they had central nervous system failure or multi organ failure and everything from such an incredibly high dose. This is a dose of energy this is a dose of think of it as penetrating energy. It’s like I got these lights around me right here. Okay, think of this going through you. Okay, and through you and through the backdrop and through the law and, you know, I’m sure my cat’s on the stairs it’s getting her thinking that as radiation is almost like light, okay, and the more things that you can put between this light like I’m now shadow myself, the more things you can put between this and you, the less you’re going to get. That’s why inside your basement or your house, Fallout Shelter, that can’t handle blast, let’s say we reduced the radiation only by a factor of 100 Ron Hubbard shelters, okay, those are buried like they’re 16 feet of earth above that, okay? They’re reducing the amount of radiation you’re getting by 1000s of times okay 1003 feet of dirt is going to be about 1000 reduction. Okay, he talking 16 feet of dirt and so you’re getting a lot less in there now if you’re where you are in Saskatchewan and missile fields go off and you know in the wind turns a little bit north and get a little bit of fall out falling out in and around Nate and your Geiger counters going, Oh, I got like
10 million rams, and I’ll our our 50 million rams and our outside and you go inside your house or your basement as like, Oh, I’m getting 5 million rams, our okay, it’s like, you know, your, your, your, your your Okay, that’s in so the fallout shelter I have that built literally in the 90s as a four foot by four foot by eight foot long structure in the corner of my basement. And then I put all my flour and food and water and buckets on top of it and all the way around it. Then I have a 55 gallon barrel on a dolly and I just pull that up to the entrance. And the ideas I can spend my nights are part of my days in there and get about 1/100 of the radiation that’s going on outside. You drop a nuke over Detroit and I’m in the range of the blast wave even at two psi overpressure you know, my entire house is going by by all the contents are going you know don’t down the street, let alone it’s probably catching on fire from the thermal poles. So you got radiation shielding shelters, you got blast shielding shelters, you got shelter that guy literally you mentioned fires earlier, you got shelters that can be buttoned up.
And you can have the whole city on fire around you and you got your own filtered or own private air supply inside the shelter. There are shelters out there, Hubbard knows about them, Utah shelter systems did them, they can literally be underneath and airburst, directly ahead of like a quarter ton nucular device, and you will survive inside the shelter. A ground bursts you won’t it’s gonna dig you out, like you know, going after a Groundhog in a hole. But I mean that that is entirely possible scientifically has been done has been tested. A lot of those nuclear tests we talked about, they had shelters of all types made up and within different ranges of the blast, the pulse, the radiation, the fire and everything else to see how well they survived how they didn’t survive, and they kept on engineering and engineering them and that’s one of the things Edwin York did. Okay. That’s, that’s, that’s very interesting stuff. Now, how about measuring radiation? Because this is where a lot of people, myself included get incredibly confused, you have all these different terms, trying to that some of them are synonymous, some are similar. Can you explain and then maybe we can kind of drift into how we measure radiation, but or sorry, the tools that you might use to measure it. So how is it measured? And what did these terminologies mean? Like rads and
DEC rolls and sieverts? And you know, all these things? Maybe you could explain that and try to imagine I’m like two years. The simplest thing to do, since the majority of radiation meters to you are going to be measured in either rads or sieverts. That’s like, again, going back to English language and English units. This is a popular meter
Okay, these are all in rads. So that’s one of the reasons I’m trying to stay in rads. The scientific community like to use sieverts which is just another measurement radiations and seabirds. So, take whatever your receiver it is and multiply it by 100 and you got your rads and the medical community like for us what’s called grace, you know for the sake of what is most common and it’s like this will measure and only in rads, okay, this scale on back of here of the new colored is in rads, okay because he calibrate these and he developed this.
This, which is no longer available,
goes from background to follow radiation, this will display in either sieverts or rads, depending upon how you you set it up. When my good friend Scott went in for a proton radiation at
dawn in Houston at MD Anderson, the amount of radiation he was given was measured in grades. So that’s kind of like more of a like a medical term. So what what would a rad be? What would one rad equaling grace? Or is Is it a different type of I would I actually don’t I’d have to look that I’d have to look that up because it’s so it’s so not used in my area, you’re not going to hear grades a lot, you’re gonna hear sieverts and rounds. And the number one rule of thumb I can tell you is multiply whatever they tell you the sieverts are by 100 not divided by 100 by 100. So if they tell you you’re getting 10 milli sieverts that means per hour, you just got one round per hour.
And remember the numbers are 325 and 100 that you need to be concerned about with rounds. I mean if you are going to be getting more than three rounds a day even in your shelter, you’re going to either want to increase your shelter or you’re gonna want to get the heck out of there all depends are we talking about a point source from a nuclear reactor like Fukushima or Chernobyl or does the NPP Ukraine reactor that is blowing over you at this time? Okay, or are we talking like you know 500 And missiles hit the missile fields and it’s a wide range radiation falling out all over you and if you can, if you’re getting a little bit extra radiation at the moment and you know the winds gonna change tomorrow and go south instead of ease you know, your situation has changed plus, if it’s streaming over to you, it’s like this is too high even for my radiation shelter again at the radiation that blast shelter my house, we’re all hot we all we’re all hopping, taken our totes full of stuff that we have prearranged throwing them on top of the minivan and in the car and the kids and we’re going the opposite direction of what the wind has ever gone do and we’ll probably be out of the radiation in like an hour.
If it’s a point source from a nuclear power plant that has gotten lost its cooling and and gone critical. So I what so what is a becquerel oven, just trying to stay on this terminology piece just so we get this all roll. back roll is like a five gallon pail of water. Okay, that’s it. It’s like a five gallon pail of water or a 55 gallon drum for a lot it is a quantity of radiation. Now, let’s say I got a five gallon pail of water and it is Nate’s kryptonite. Okay, and I’m pouring out that five gallons of water on to you Nate but I’m doing it at a rate of an ounce a minute or an ounce an hour or a pound a kilogram an hour or a gallon an hour. That is your your radiation that you’re receiving when this says I’m receiving two rounds an hour. That is very equivalent to me pouring like two gallons an hour out of that bucket onto you. But the thing is, that bucket is only so full, it’s only five gallons, you know, that is the total amount of radial logical radiation or material you could say that I have to pour onto you. And so when there were Fukushima and Fukushima and Chernobyl are the analogies by how many becquerels radiation did they actually throw out into the world? So it’s like how much water did they pour out onto the driveway is the analogy and that’s how we can say Fukushima was a lot less so it’s more so used to describe like the source like how many becquerels of radiation will be given off by a nuclear reactor if it and then of course, the Seaver to the rads or what you would be x
Suppose to the to your audience. It’s kind of like flashlights, I think like you have a floodlight, like the they have what they call out the front lumens with flashlights. So it’s like 100, you might have 100,000 lumen flashlight that sends them all out the front, but maybe only a few are of those photons are going to fall on the part that you you know, what you want it to fall on, which would be like sieverts, Arad’s the back roads would actually be the amount of battery you have behind it. Okay.
I mean, you’re making a good analogy that I’m just taking one step further, instead of saying all the light is the becquerels, I’m saying the energy in the battery powering the light is, is going to be the back rolls. That makes sense. Yeah, I get you. I told you the depths of what Crescent went through crest and Kearney went through the writers book. And they kept on writing it giving it to new people and having them circle what they didn’t understand. And then they kept on rewriting what people didn’t understand so that the average person could understand it. So a lot of the radiation explained in this book is explained, you know,
even more simply and better than what I’m telling you, because I’m paraphrasing what is the book and adopting that for 2020 2023.
It can be a complex subject, and you know, we are we are trying to give rules of thumb and to make it simple so people can actually understand, not, we don’t want them to feel safe, we can make them understand they can make their own decision, am I safe? Or am I not? Realistically, if somebody walks away, just remembering one thing that might keep them safe, I would be you know, it’s better than I know, you don’t like this phrase better than nothing. But it still is, you know, if we can communicate one vital piece of communication, I mean, I’m sure we’ve communicated many of these. Because we know that every not everybody is going to remember everything. And that’s, that’s why they they make up those jingles like Stop, drop and roll or stay inside, stay safe and stay tuned as dumb as it is. If that’s all a person knew, you know, it’s better than standing outside and looking at the blast like an idiot.
Okay, so what about sheltering then? So we talked about alpha beta, talked about how you know the importance of gas masks and hazmat suits. Let’s talk a bit about you briefly talked about the depths and preventing against gamma radiation. Now, there’s lots of great diagrams in the book that talk about how the gamma radiation can push the photons and all this stuff and why you have to have angled entryways into your bunkers and this and that, to attenuate the radiation. But can you talk a little bit about what is required, like for the average person who might have a basement? And like, how, how would they protect themselves against that kind of gamma rays pitch right there. And I emphasize that page right there, which is page 14 In the book, it shows you how much soil halves the radiation, remember, if you have the radiation, half the radiation and half the radiation, and you do that five times, that’s two to the 32nd power, sorry, a two to the fifth power, so it’s 32 times the radiation. So when you go from 18 inches to 36 inches, you aren’t doubling your radial logical protection, you’re going from two to the fifth power to two to the 10th power. So you’re going from 32 times less radiation to 1024 times less or 1000 times less radiation, and dirt is is your friend dirt is a freely available musher in New York City. So, what is what is what is the quality of dirt, because I find that to be almost too good to be true because you know, like all you need is the Dirt.
Dirt everywhere. Usually it has to do with the water content of it. Okay, Gerd has a water content to it. In fact, you can ink depending upon your dirt, you can add water to it and increase your level radioactive production. If you’re filling up
square four gallon pails or square five gallon or 20 liter pails, follow place and you can actually add water to that and you can put it in place then add water and you can significantly increase your Radiological Protection even more. So let’s say I have a house which is not maybe it’s slightly underground. But maybe you know let’s just say for the sake of having an example people can understand that the the first floor level is just
level with the ground. So there’s no you know three feet of soil above it. But on the outside, of course, you have the protection all around how much would sandbags? Or would you just have to push sand up against the side of the house? Or what would you do to prevent gamma radiation from coming in the top?
Several things. One is you can push sand up against the parts of the basement, you know, we got windows in the basement or something. I know everyone down south as young as we don’t know. But yeah, you can push up sand up against the side of the house, you can also put sand or books or dirt or rocks in the bedroom above you. You can doesn’t have to be in contact with the shelter, you can put it on the floor above you if that is easier to do and reduce it. Everything you can do to put everything between you and the outside is better. Obviously, you got great Radiological Protection through the walls of your basement and the dirt outside. So you’re right, you’re concerned with the two parts of the shelter that are exposed. And you’re concerned with more about what is over you what is over you. And it’s like I got, you know, wheat flour, baking powder and everything else on the top of my shelter, and I got the buckets and stuff around my my shelter. Dirt is your number one resource to everyone listening around here is probably dirt, then if you’re in New York City, buy a sledge hammer and break up the sidewalk and bring it inside and pieces and stack it up around you. And Lesson in the Book actually shows you how to make a radiation shelter out of an old fashioned desk, because you’re in the cubbyhole of the center or the desk and you put everything around you. Okay. Make sense? So even if you are above ground, there are some solutions to attenuate the radiation to a significant degree. Absolutely, absolutely. It could be from, it could be you could you could have a whole bunch of 55 gallon drums or a 15 gallon drums and they can be empty. And you can
if you’re above ground, let’s say you were on the 82nd floor of a building. Okay, you could bring up or from your your storage place or whatever, you could bring up all those barrels a drum. And you could literally make like a fort like you did with a kid only out of the drums. And then you could attach a hose to your faucet or your sink. And you could fill up all those drums with water after you put them in place when they’re empty. And yes, you too can make a radiological shelter from nothing but barrels of water. At least you’re not going to run out of water. We can guarantee you that. But there’s all sorts of creative and inventive ways of doing this many of which are covered in nuclear war survivors goes across and shows you how to make a wall of dirt like a straight up wall of dirt from bedsheets, it has to do with the way you put the dirt in and then roll the sheet over each other and then put more dirt on then roll the sheet this way. He shows you how to make a vertical wall of dirt on the bedsheets,
our shower curtains or anything. That’s incredible. You got me thinking about water? Like do some people put shelters under swimming pools?
Absolutely, absolutely. In fact, a very dear good friend of mine he talking about remodeling his property. And his pool is pretty much almost a little bit in ground most of the above ground and he lives near a very large swamp and I go I made a list of things he’s talking about redoing and one of the things I said was put your put your your secret room, your safe room or wherever you want to call it and your fallout shelter underneath the swimming underneath a swimming pool. So what you’re saying is beavers beavers know what’s coming. And they’ve they’ve basically designed their whole survival strategy around the nuclear paquets I’ll tell you what you can do. You can go break through the ice in the wintertime swim up into the deep Beaver Dam kill the beaver use the beaver beaver for for staying warm. Because I know you’d like for eat the beaver and then live in their house.
It’s gonna sound just like Los Angeles.
That was a good one. That was a very good one. Usually if you’re close enough to the flash, it’ll be blinded. You’re gonna be burned and the blast wave is going to come by and blow you literally at 600 miles an hour down the road. Can you imagine going from zero to 608
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